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Tuesday, November 19, 2024

2025 Classic Baseball Era Committee Ballot


Tommy John, pitching for the Dodgers in the 1970's.
Come on, Dave Parker should be in the Hall of Fame just for this picture.


The 2025 Classic Baseball Era Committee ballot was recently announced. The ballot focuses on players who made their impact on baseball before 1980.

Some players who are not on the ballot that I feel deserve more consideration for the Hall of Fame would be: Vada Pinson, Al Oliver, Graig Nettles, and Vida Blue. Let’s take a look at the candidates, in alphabetical order.  

Dick Allen: Allen was one of the leading sluggers of the late 1960’s and early 1970’s. He was a controversial player during his career. Because of this, Allen was never embraced by the BBWAA writers—his highest percentage of the vote on the BBWAA ballot was 18.9% in 1996.  

Allen had a short career, as his whole value was accumulated in the 11 seasons from 1964-1974. How you feel about Allen probably depends on if you like short peak guys or long career guys. With the recent election of Gil Hodges and Tony Oliva, we’ve seen two players elected who, like Allen, finished their career with fewer than 2,000 hits. Will that help Allen’s case? Allen has come very close to election recently, falling just one vote short in 2015 and 2022. I’d be fine if Allen gets into the Hall of Fame.  

Ken Boyer: He was a stud at third base. Jay Jaffe’s JAWS metric ranks Boyer as the 14th best third baseman of all time. Of course, they didn’t have JAWS at the time Boyer hit the BBWAA ballot, but at that time JAWS ranked him as the 5th best third baseman, so he really should have been voted in by the BBWAA. During Boyer’s time on the BBWAA ballot, a generation of excellent third basemen came of age, headlined by Mike Schmidt and George Brett. By the time Boyer aged off the BBWAA ballot in 1994, his totals of 2,143 hits and 282 home runs didn’t seem so impressive. Boyer’s career was relatively short by Hall of Fame standards, just 2,034 games. I’d say that Boyer deserves to be in the Hall of Fame.  

John Donaldson: A Negro Leagues star, Donaldson pitched for more than 30 years in the Negro Leagues and semi-pro leagues. I’m no expert about the Negro Leagues, but researchers have found Donaldson winning 424 games, with 5,221 strikeouts. I’d say that’s Hall of Fame worthy, and I’m surprised that Donaldson hasn’t been elected.  

Steve Garvey: I really like Steve Garvey. He has the “fame” part of the Hall of Fame down for sure. His list of awards and accomplishments is impressive: 1974 NL MVP, MVP of the 1978 and 1984 NLCS, MVP of the 1974 and 1978 All-Star games, a 10-time All-Star, 4-time Gold Glove winner at first base. Garvey was a .338 hitter in the postseason.  

Garvey’s Hall of Fame Monitor score is 131. A likely Hall of Famer is 100. His Hall of Fame Standards score is 32, and an average Hall of Famer is around 50. This presents us with the paradox of Steve Garvey: he has all the accomplishments and more that one could want from a Hall of Famer, but yet somehow, he’s light on the standards. He’s really a unicorn, as it seems impossible to imagine a 10-time All-Star, MVP, and 4-time Gold Glove winner somehow falling short of the Hall of Fame.  

As sabermetrics have become more and more popular, Garvey’s Hall of Fame case hasn’t received any additional momentum. Because he hardly ever walked, sabermetrics don’t help Garvey’s case for the Hall of Fame. Garvey’s excellence was summed up by the stats on the back of his baseball card: batting average and RBIs were his strengths. I haven’t read very many articles advocating for Garvey’s election to the Hall of Fame. The old-school scribes haven’t been pouring out columns about his grit, leadership, and clutch playing the way they did for Jack Morris. I feel like Garvey was overrated during his career, and now he’s been underrated by the sabermetric stats, so it’s hard to get an accurate feel for how he should be evaluated.   

Using Jay Jaffe’s JAWS score, Garvey is ranked 51st in JAWS for 1st basemen. In the JAWS table on baseball-reference, you can sort it by MVP shares, where Garvey ranks 15th. This shows how highly valued Garvey was during his career. If you sort it by All-Star games Garvey is tied for 6th with Albert Pujols, David Ortiz, and Johnny Mize. (JAWS puts DHs like Ortiz at first base.) That’s pretty impressive. Personally, I’d be fine with Garvey getting into the Hall of Fame.  

Vic Harris: An outfielder and manager in the Negro Leagues, Harris was a feared hitter, and as a manager he led the Homestead Grays to 8 first places finishes in the Negro National League. I’d say that’s worthy of the Hall of Fame.  

Tommy John: With 288 wins, why has John not made it into the Hall of Fame yet? Yes, he was more of a workhorse than a thoroughbred. But still, John started 700 games, pitched 4,710 innings, with an ERA of 3.34. That’s amazing.  

John won 20 games 3 times, and he led the league in shutouts 3 times. And, of course, he revolutionized baseball by becoming the first pitcher to undergo the surgery that now bears his name. I think Tommy John should have been in the Hall of Fame years ago, and I’m hopeful that this year he will finally get in.  

Dave Parker: I would love to see the Cobra get in. Parker was such a great player, and one of the best all-around players in the game from 1975-1980. He’s one of my favorite baseball players from the 1970’s and 1980’s. Parker’s resume is impressive: he was a 7-time All-Star, a 2-time World Series champion, he won 3 Silver Sluggers and 3 Gold Gloves. He won back-to-back batting titles in 1977 and 1978, and he was the 1978 NL MVP. Parker led the league in total bases 3 times, in doubles twice, in slugging percentage twice, and he led the league in hits once and RBI’s once.  

Plus, Dave Parker was simply cool. He was a 6'5" badass who had a pierced ear and wore a Star of David. His answer as to why he wore it was simple: "My name's David and I'm a star." The Hall of Fame would simply be a little cooler if Dave Parker were in it.

Luis Tiant: A talented pitcher, Tiant won 20 games 4 times, led the AL in ERA in 1968 and 1972, and led the AL in shutouts in 1966, 1968, and 1974. Why isn’t he in the Hall of Fame? I think part of the reason is bad timing.  

Tiant debuted on the BBWAA ballot in 1988 and received 30.9% of the vote. That was the only time he received over 20% of the vote during his 15 years on the BBWAA ballot. Tiant was the only starting pitcher to debut on the ballot in 1988 and receive over 5% of the vote. But Tiant’s candidacy was quickly swamped by the amazing pitchers who joined the ballot after he did. Here are the starting pitchers who joined the ballot during Tiant’s 15 years and were subsequently elected to the Hall of Fame: 

1989: Gaylord Perry, Fergie Jenkins, Jim Kaat 

1990: Jim Palmer 

1992: Tom Seaver 

1993: Phil Niekro 

1994: Steve Carlton, Don Sutton 

1998: Bert Blyleven 

1999: Nolan Ryan 

2000: Jack Morris 

Footnote: Tommy John joined the BBWAA ballot in 1995. Like Tiant, he stayed on the BBWAA ballot for 15 years but hasn’t been elected to the Hall of Fame yet.  

So, in Tiant’s 15 years on the ballot, he had to compete with 11 Hall of Fame starting pitchers. It’s an incredible generation of starting pitchers, maybe the best ever. The problem for Tiant is that in this group of 12 pitchers, Tiant comes in last in wins, with 229. He’s 25 wins below the next highest guy on the list, Jack Morris, at 254 wins.  

You can argue about whether or not wins are the best way to judge a starting pitcher, but the fact that Tiant was so far below his Hall of Fame peers in wins didn’t help him at all during his years on the BBWAA ballot. What I think this data really tells us is more about how amazing this generation of pitchers was, rather than telling us that Tiant doesn’t belong in the Hall of Fame. What are the odds that you’d be on the ballot for 15 years and have 11 guys with significantly more wins join the ballot? The average number of wins of these 11 Hall of Fame pitchers is 299.6, so let’s just round that up to 300. At 229 wins, Tiant is 71 wins below the average number of wins for a Hall of Fame starting pitcher during his time on the ballot. That’s a crazy statistic. I think Tiant deserves to be in the Hall of Fame, but you can see what a tough battle he faced during his time on the BBWAA ballot.  

In 2024, Tiant’s career totals of 229 wins, a 3.30 ERA, 187 complete games, and 49 shutouts look at lot more impressive.  

It’s very hard to predict what the committee will do. Honestly, I just hope they elect any of these candidates to the Hall of Fame. I’ll engage in some wishful thinking and predict that Tommy John and Dave Parker will finally get the call for the Hall of Fame.  

Monday, December 22, 2014

Recapping the 2014 Baseball Hall of Fame Golden Era Committee Ballot


Jim Kaat pitched for an amazing 25 seasons.


Tony Oliva, with the Twins in the 1960's. Oliva won 3 AL batting titles.

Me and Tony O, 2012. He is one of the nicest athletes I've ever met.

Gil Hodges, first baseman for the Brooklyn Dodgers.

Ken Boyer, third baseman for the St. Louis Cardinals.
Like many baseball fans, I was disappointed when the Golden Era Committee for the Hall of Fame announced on December 8th that no one had been elected to the Hall of Fame. The Golden Era Committee examined players who made their primary contribution to baseball between 1947 and 1972. The Committee had nine players on their ballot, along with former Cincinnati Reds general manager Bob Howsam. 

Baseball writer Joe Posnanski had a great post about the math behind the Golden Era Committee, and why it was almost impossible for them to elect anyone. The members of the committee were limited to voting for just four players, which lessened the chance of anyone being elected. 

As a Minnesota Twins fan, I really wanted to see Tony Oliva and Jim Kaat get elected. In my Hall of Fame philosophy, I’m more of a “big Hall” kind of guy. I feel that there are a number of really excellent players who deserve to be in the Hall of Fame, like Jim Kaat, Tommy John, Vada Pinson, Al Oliver, Ted Simmons, Tim Raines, Dave Parker, and Fred McGriff. That being said, there are a number of players in the Hall of Fame who I think don’t belong. I don’t think they should be removed from the Hall of Fame, but I think they were bad choices. Most of these players were selected by some form of the Veterans Committee. My list of Hall of Famers who don’t belong would include: Chick Hafey, Jesse Haines, Fred Lindstrom, Travis Jackson, George Kelly, George Kell, Addie Joss, Rick Ferrell, Ray Schalk, and Dave Bancroft. 

It annoys me when people say or write things like “The Hall of Fame is for players like Willie Mays and Mickey Mantle.” Well, yes, but it’s also for players like Billy Williams, Goose Goslin, and Bert Blyleven. There are 211 players in the Hall of Fame. Obviously, not all of them can be as great as Mays and Mantle. You can have a Hall of Fame in your mind that is only made up of Mays, Mantle, Hank Aaron, and other players who were first-ballot, no doubt about it Hall of Famers, as long as you know that your Hall of Fame does not bear any resemblance to the actual Hall of Fame. You can’t stick your head in the sand and pretend that the bottom barrel HOFers don’t exist. But, at the same time, we shouldn’t use those bottom barrel players as benchmarks for who to elect in the future. If we start putting in everyone who is better than the worst Hall of Famer, we’ll have a Hall of Fame that will be overstuffed. 

The “Golden Era” ballot of 2014 was full of very good candidates who all have their pluses and minuses. You can make really good arguments for or against all of these players. Here are my thoughts on the candidates on the ballot, except for Bob Howsam, who I don’t have an opinion on. I don’t think executives should be on the same ballot as players.

Dick Allen: No matter where Dick Allen played, controversy followed him. Allen was one of the best sluggers of the late 1960’s and early 1970’s. But injuries and Allen’s knack for pissing off every team he ever played for led to him playing his last game at the age of 35. I understand that Allen was a really great player, and he was definitely one of the best players in baseball from 1964-1974, but his counting numbers are really low for the Hall of Fame. Allen finished his career with just 1,848 hits and 1,119 RBIs. There are 178 players who have played from 1901 to the present who have more than 1,800 hits and 1,100 RBIs, which doesn’t exactly scream “elite player.” Allen’s Hall of Fame case is all about his hitting, as he was at best an indifferent fielder. He has negative fielding WAR for every season except 1964, when he has a paltry 0.3. I get that Allen’s peak as a player was really high, but I just have a problem with putting someone in the Hall whose counting stats look like Lee May’s. 

There’s a great bio of Dick Allen on the SABR website, which helped me understand more about some of the controversies surrounding Allen’s career:


Ken Boyer: From 1956-64, Boyer was one of the game’s best third basemen, putting up 8 seasons of 90+ RBIs, and leading the NL in RBIs in 1964 with 119, the same year he won the MVP award and led the St. Louis Cardinals to the World Series. Boyer’s peak is very impressive, but unfortunately the magic quickly faded, and Boyer’s career from 1965-69 was undistinguished. I think Boyer was a great player, but for me he falls short of being a Hall of Famer. 

Gil Hodges: Another great player with a terrific peak but a shorter career, Hodges was the slugging first baseman for the “Boys of Summer” Brooklyn Dodgers in the 1950’s. Hodges put up 7 consecutive seasons of 100+ RBIs, and when he ended his playing career in 1963 his 370 home runs were good for 10th on the all-time list. Hodges faded quickly after his age 35 season in 1959. Hodges has been one of the most discussed Hall of Fame candidates, as he has consistently fallen just short of election time and again. In his 15 years on the BBWAA ballot, Hodges was named on more than 50% of the ballots 11 times, so it’s pretty crazy that he didn’t get in. As Joe Posnanski points out in this excellent blog post, every player who has received 50% of the BBWAA vote, except for Hodges and Jack Morris, has been eventually elected to the Hall of Fame, either by the BBWAA or by some incarnation of the Veterans Committee. Everybody liked Gil Hodges, and by all accounts he was a really great guy, which you think would have helped him get elected to the Hall. Hodges also managed the “Miracle Mets” in 1969, and he died young, of a sudden heart attack at age 47 in 1972. He was considered one of the best fielding first baseman of his era, winning 3 Gold Gloves, even though the award wasn’t established until 1957. For me, Hodges falls just short of a Hall of Fame career.

Jim Kaat: One of the most durable pitchers ever, Kaat pitched for 25 seasons, from 1959 to 1983. At 283 wins, he fell short of the magic number of 300, and I think that has kept him out of the Hall. Let’s say, hypothetically, that Kaat lost one close game every year of his career. If we could give Kaat that one more win for each year of his career, he’d be at 308 wins and would be in the Hall of Fame for sure. So if Kaat would have been a Hall of Famer with just 17 more wins, why is he not a Hall of Famer at 283 wins? I don’t know exactly how sportswriters would answer that question, but I have some ideas. Kaat was not an overpowering pitcher, and he didn’t have much of a peak to his career. He was a compiler, putting up big numbers through longevity, not sheer dominance. He wasn’t Tom Seaver. Kaat won 16 Gold Gloves in a row, and he was such a good athlete that he was used as a pinch-hitter or pinch-runner in 106 games during his career. Unfortunately, Kaat got injured during the 1972 season while pinch-running, and that no doubt cost him several wins, as he was 10-2 with a 2.06 ERA when he got injured. Kaat might have lost some support for the Hall of Fame because he spent the last five years of his career as a swingman alternating between the bullpen and spot starting. Voters might have seen Kaat as just hanging on too long trying to get to 300 wins. Personally, I would love to see Jim Kaat in the Hall of Fame. He was a great pitcher and he’s been a great broadcaster for many years. 

Minnie Minoso: While some fans might remember Minoso for his publicity stunt pinch-hitting appearances with the White Sox in 1976 and 1980, he was actually one of the best players in the American League during the 1950’s. Like practically every other player on this ballot, Minoso faded quickly after age 35, which is ironic, given his late-career pinch-hitting appearances. But during his prime, Minoso was a 9-time All-Star, and a three time Gold Glove winner. Minoso also finished 4th in the MVP voting 4 times. Oh, and he has the same number of 100+ RBI seasons as Mickey Mantle: 4. Should Minoso be in the Hall? Again, I think he falls just short.

Tony Oliva: Tony O is one of the nicest guys I have ever met. I’ve had the pleasure of meeting Tony several times over the past few years, and he always has a huge smile on his face, ready to talk about baseball or the cold Minnesota weather. My favorite story about meeting Tony was one cold April day when my wife and I were walking to our seats at Target Field. We had just passed Tony O’s Cuban sandwich stand, and I was telling my wife what a great player Tony Oliva was in his prime. And then of a sudden, as if on cue, Tony O was right there at the next section of seats! It was pretty cool. So I admit, I’m a Twins fan, and I’m biased, I’d love to see Tony Oliva elected to the Hall of Fame. He was a great player and he’s a really wonderful person. I know that Oliva’s peak as a player was short, but he was one of the best hitters in baseball during the offensively challenged 1960’s. If Oliva hadn’t gotten injured and messed up his knee in 1971, I think he would have been in the Hall of Fame a long time ago. Despite the brevity of Oliva’s career, he had many highlights, as he was an 8-time All-Star, won three batting titles, led the league in hits five times, and in doubles three times. 

Billy Pierce: Pierce was one of the best left-handed starting pitchers in the American League during the 1950’s. Pitching for the White Sox, Pierce led the league in wins in 1957, and won the ERA crown in 1955. Pierce was an excellent pitcher, and his career record of 211-169 is quite similar to Hall of Famer Don Drysdale, who had a record of 209-166. I think Pierce was very good, but not a Hall of Famer.

Luis Tiant: Tiant was a superb pitcher in the 1960’s, winning 21 games and leading the American League in ERA in 1968. After injuries sidelined him for much of 1970 and 1971, Tiant returned with an array of different windups and deliveries, and he was able to rejuvenate his career. Tiant went on to win 20 games for the Red Sox in 1973, 1974, and 1976. Unfortunately, Tiant did a number on my Minnesota Twins both coming and going, as the Twins gave up a young third baseman named Graig Nettles as part of the trade with the Cleveland Indians to acquire Tiant. Tiant dealt with injuries during 1970, his only season with the Twins, and the Twins released him at the end of spring training in 1971, just before he started his resurgence. Oops! I think Tiant should be in the Hall of Fame, he was a great pitcher who was overshadowed on the Hall of Fame ballot by the other great pitchers of the 1960’s and 70’s.

Maury Wills: Wills led the National League in stolen bases six years in a row, from 1960 to 1965, and he stole a then-record 104 bases in 1962. Wills got a late start, as he spent nine years in the minor leagues before finally breaking in with the Dodgers at the age of 26 in 1959. I don’t think Wills should be in the Hall of Fame. All he had to offer was speed, and while he put up a decent career batting average of .281, his OBP was .330 and his slugging percentage was .331. Okay, so Ozzie Smith’s slugging percentage was actually lower than his OBP, but Smith was a better player than Wills. 

Those are my thoughts on the 2014 Golden Era Committee ballot. Hopefully the next time the Committee meets to vote on players from this era they actually elect someone.